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Friday, June 12th 2009, 8:55am

by Wet_Boots

You said you were seeing movement at the ICV. You do not want this. You will have the PRV connected upstream of any of the plastic pipe. Then the plastic won't be getting hammered so much.
Re-reading this thread, I realized that I did not properly describe how my system is set up.

Basically...the ICV valve comes before the manifold and the rest of the valves (Hunter PGV Jar-top), so the only plastic parts under constant pressure come before the ICV valve, which is simply a couple feet of PVC pipe and a few fittings. There is also one 90 degree manifold elbow and one schedule 80 PVC nipple just before the ICV valve.

Should 150 pounds of pressure slamming into a pressure regulator be OK? Isn't that what it's for?

I guess getting a threaded regulator in after the backflow device would be manageable, I am just trying to decide how necessary it is (the system cost me much more than I have expected already).

Thanks for all the advice.

Thursday, June 11th 2009, 3:17pm

by secutanudu

I could careless on what others say and have installed sys for a few...On my own house, 12 zones, 80 rotors, etc I had to install a water hammer and bam, no more noise.
Sorry - you installed a what? And where?

Thursday, June 11th 2009, 2:55pm

by debo

I could careless on what others say and have installed sys for a few...On my own house, 12 zones, 80 rotors, etc I had to install a water hammer and bam, no more noise.

Thursday, June 11th 2009, 10:56am

by secutanudu

Re-reading this thread, I realized that I did not properly describe how my system is set up.

Basically...the ICV valve comes before the manifold and the rest of the valves (Hunter PGV Jar-top), so the only plastic parts under constant pressure come before the ICV valve, which is simply a couple feet of PVC pipe and a few fittings. There is also one 90 degree manifold elbow and one schedule 80 PVC nipple just before the ICV valve.

Should 150 pounds of pressure slamming into a pressure regulator be OK? Isn't that what it's for?

I guess getting a threaded regulator in after the backflow device would be manageable, I am just trying to decide how necessary it is (the system cost me much more than I have expected already).

Thanks for all the advice.

Wednesday, June 10th 2009, 6:24pm

by Wet_Boots

You can simplify the 'cutting in' of a pressure regulator by purchasing a "double union" type, and the union ends could be threaded or sweat.

Wednesday, June 10th 2009, 12:03pm

by secutanudu

Thanks for the responses.

I can sort of solder, I have all the stuff for it (MAP gas, solder, flux, etc), I just hate to cut into all the nice stuff the plumber already did for me.

Thanks for the advice. What you said makes sense.

Wednesday, June 10th 2009, 11:30am

by HooKooDooKu

Logically speaking, the ICV valve is a valve with a pressure regulator after the valve. That means when the valve opens, the pressure regulator gets slammed with the 150psi. The ICV just makes sure those high pressures do no go out to the latteral lines. In the mean time, your valves and the entire manifold, plus all the PVC pipe running to the manifold are under that constant high pressure. The worst case senario is that something in all that plasitc busts and you don't find out about it for several days after which you have a large water bill and possibly lots of errosion. You might think you would immediately notice errosion, but in a worst case senario, the water could wash away underground dirt sort of creating a sink hole when the surface finally collapes.

You might not have to have a plumber do the work of installing a brass pressure regulator back at the brass pipe. For one, that should be AFTER the backflow preventer, and very few local building codes require plumbers AFTER the backflow preventer. So if you can find a friend that is handy at soldering, you can get them to do it.

Alternately, you can learn to solder. For a beginner, it's easier to learn using MAPP gas (yellow cylindars) rather than propane (blue cylindars) because it burns hotter. It lets you get in and get things heated up fast. With propane, unless you have an adjustable tip to allow you to focus the flame, it becomes too easy to burn off the flux before the pipe gets hot enough to melt the solder. But with MAPP gas, it gets hot enough that once the flux starts to burn off, the pipe is almost instantly hot enough afterwards. For less than about $50 you should be able to get a MAPP gas canister, a torch (I like the ones with the trigger that lights it for you rather than you having to light it yourself), some solder, flux, a pipe cutter, and a test section of copper pipe and a few fittings.

Tuesday, June 9th 2009, 9:06pm

by Wet_Boots

You are not thinking correctly. Get the plumber back and install the BR-4 (I recommend that particular model because you can set its outlet pressure beyond 100 psi if need be)

Tuesday, June 9th 2009, 12:53pm

by secutanudu

You are not reducing any of the water hammer the plastic valve is receiving. Do yourself a giant favor and install something like a Wilkins BR4 pressure regulator at the point of connection for the system. Let the hammer forces go no further than the brass PRV. You can set its outlet pressure to whatever works for you.
Problem is I had a plumber do the inside work for me...I am not so skilled at soldering, etc.

If I leave it how it is, what is the worst thing that will happen? I have to replace the ICV valve eventually?

Edit...now that I think about it, wouldnt the water hammer be occuring when the ICV valve opens and hits my zone valves? There is constant pressure on the ICV valve since it's the first valve in the system. The output pressure of that valve is set to 70 psi, so i would think the water hammer is happening when the Master valve opens and slams against the zone valve at 70 psi, just before the zone valve opens. Am I thinking correctly?

Tuesday, June 9th 2009, 12:38pm

by Wet_Boots

You are not reducing any of the water hammer the plastic valve is receiving. Do yourself a giant favor and install something like a Wilkins BR4 pressure regulator at the point of connection for the system. Let the hammer forces go no further than the brass PRV. You can set its outlet pressure to whatever works for you.